Comments on: It is the Teachers’ Fault http://www.edgeblog.net/2008/it-is-the-teachers-fault/ Notes from the edge Mon, 06 Sep 2010 03:17:23 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: bill http://www.edgeblog.net/2008/it-is-the-teachers-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-109467 bill Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:45:22 +0000 http://www.edgeblog.net/?p=130#comment-109467 I found some new NEA stats here: http://sites.nea.org/edstats/images/07rankings.pdf. They have changed how they are reporting some of them, so you have to do some math to get total expenditures. I found some new NEA stats here: http://sites.nea.org/edstats/images/07rankings.pdf. They have changed how they are reporting some of them, so you have to do some math to get total expenditures.

]]> By: bill http://www.edgeblog.net/2008/it-is-the-teachers-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-92334 bill Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:22:43 +0000 http://www.edgeblog.net/?p=130#comment-92334 Anon, Could you clarify your statement? Are you suggesting we don't spend $50 Billion/year in California on education? Actually, it is more, but it depends on which numbers you look at. I had a link in the article to the NEA's website. They have since taken down the data, but you can still find the info in the Internet Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20071013030028/http://www.nea.org/edstats/RankFull06b.htm. I just dug up California's 2008 budget at the number was $58 Billion. http://www.cde.ca.gov/fg/fr/eb/documents/budgetrpt08.pdf Also, since you posted from Texas, I'm not sure why your opinion on California education is relevant, but next time have the cojones not to post anonymously. Anon,

Could you clarify your statement? Are you suggesting we don’t spend $50 Billion/year in California on education? Actually, it is more, but it depends on which numbers you look at. I had a link in the article to the NEA’s website. They have since taken down the data, but you can still find the info in the Internet Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20071013030028/http://www.nea.org/edstats/RankFull06b.htm. I just dug up California’s 2008 budget at the number was $58 Billion. http://www.cde.ca.gov/fg/fr/eb/documents/budgetrpt08.pdf

Also, since you posted from Texas, I’m not sure why your opinion on California education is relevant, but next time have the cojones not to post anonymously.

]]> By: Anon http://www.edgeblog.net/2008/it-is-the-teachers-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-92327 Anon Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:22:22 +0000 http://www.edgeblog.net/?p=130#comment-92327 "We invest $50,000,000,000 every year in our teachers, and we are getting a lousy return on investment." 50 goddamn Billion dollars. I was wondering where my tax dollars were going... YOU SIR, ARE A MORON! “We invest $50,000,000,000 every year in our teachers, and we are getting a lousy return on investment.”

50 goddamn Billion dollars. I was wondering where my tax dollars were going…

YOU SIR, ARE A MORON!

]]> By: bill http://www.edgeblog.net/2008/it-is-the-teachers-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-88736 bill Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:34:21 +0000 http://www.edgeblog.net/?p=130#comment-88736 David, Your stunning lack of logic, common sense, proper punctuation, and willingness to seperate thoughts into paragraphs merely illustrates my point about poor education in this country. "Oh.. and America is to blame, if you haven’t guessed it yet, for all the world’s problems." Give me a break. You are a moron. David,

Your stunning lack of logic, common sense, proper punctuation, and willingness to seperate thoughts into paragraphs merely illustrates my point about poor education in this country. “Oh.. and America is to blame, if you haven’t guessed it yet, for all the world’s problems.” Give me a break. You are a moron.

]]> By: David http://www.edgeblog.net/2008/it-is-the-teachers-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-88709 David Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:22:37 +0000 http://www.edgeblog.net/?p=130#comment-88709 I am pretty sure this is not the best country on the planet. We are allies with Israel who just blocked Gaza's energy plant, and so they have no energy and are using candles to see. What makes this the best country in the world? Please list some reasons as to better clarify your opinions. Since the beginning of the early Americas settlers invaded this land that was already occupied and killed savagely people who did no wrong to them. This country has a history of violence with slavery, how can one justify that anything is good in this country. Sure there are some good things, we can live peacefully here without the fear of dying. But while I am on the topic of violence, if I remember correctly the U.S. did go to war with Iraq right? and for what reason. Oh...wait there was no reasoning behind this, weapons of mass destruction? was that it, then again why did we go into vietnam...for rubber. Millions of children and soldiers, men and women died for nothing. As Simon and Garfunkel said "To fight for a cause" There has never been a cause. You can not deny that this country has been hated around the world for centuries, it is corrupt and will never improve until the people decide enough is enough. Look at our veterans...homeless without jobs and they went and fought in a war and come back to nothing, and the government does nothing, yet year after year hour after hour hundreds of young men and women are sucked into the military with the idea that they are doing right for their country. Killing for peace is like fucking for virginity...how is that every justified. They go over there and fight for their lives, when will it ever stop? This country is not the best country in the world, and I as well as thousands of Americans agree. Oh.. and America is to blame, if you haven't guessed it yet, for all the world's problems. Did we intervene with Rwanda, we barely helped the holocaust, Katrina. wow this country did nothing for the katrina victims, they moved them to an area that was contaminated with formaldehyde fumes. Think next time before you speak. I am pretty sure this is not the best country on the planet. We are allies with Israel who just blocked Gaza’s energy plant, and so they have no energy and are using candles to see. What makes this the best country in the world? Please list some reasons as to better clarify your opinions. Since the beginning of the early Americas settlers invaded this land that was already occupied and killed savagely people who did no wrong to them. This country has a history of violence with slavery, how can one justify that anything is good in this country. Sure there are some good things, we can live peacefully here without the fear of dying. But while I am on the topic of violence, if I remember correctly the U.S. did go to war with Iraq right? and for what reason. Oh…wait there was no reasoning behind this, weapons of mass destruction? was that it, then again why did we go into vietnam…for rubber. Millions of children and soldiers, men and women died for nothing. As Simon and Garfunkel said “To fight for a cause” There has never been a cause. You can not deny that this country has been hated around the world for centuries, it is corrupt and will never improve until the people decide enough is enough. Look at our veterans…homeless without jobs and they went and fought in a war and come back to nothing, and the government does nothing, yet year after year hour after hour hundreds of young men and women are sucked into the military with the idea that they are doing right for their country. Killing for peace is like fucking for virginity…how is that every justified. They go over there and fight for their lives, when will it ever stop? This country is not the best country in the world, and I as well as thousands of Americans agree. Oh.. and America is to blame, if you haven’t guessed it yet, for all the world’s problems. Did we intervene with Rwanda, we barely helped the holocaust, Katrina. wow this country did nothing for the katrina victims, they moved them to an area that was contaminated with formaldehyde fumes. Think next time before you speak.

]]> By: bill http://www.edgeblog.net/2008/it-is-the-teachers-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-86493 bill Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:35:54 +0000 http://www.edgeblog.net/?p=130#comment-86493 The California Department of Education website backs up my claims above about the instruction of marriage in the schools: http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/se/sexeducation.asp "Education Code (EC) 51933 (Outside Source) specifies that school districts are not required to provide comprehensive sexual health education, but if they choose to do so, they shall comply with all of the requirements listed below. Comprehensive sexual health education instruction shall be age-appropriate and bias-free, and all factual information shall be medically accurate and objective. Instruction shall be appropriate for students of all genders, sexual orientations, and ethnic and cultural backgrounds, and it shall be accessible for English language learner students and students with disabilities. Instruction shall encourage communication between students and their families and shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships. " Also according to the CDE website, 96% of schools do choose to teach comprehensive sexual education. http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/se/faq.asp "According to Sex Education in California Public Schools (PDF; Outside Source) (survey conducted PB Consulting, 2003), 96 percent of California school districts provide comprehensive sexual health education." The California Department of Education website backs up my claims above about the instruction of marriage in the schools: http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/se/sexeducation.asp

“Education Code (EC) 51933 (Outside Source) specifies that school districts are not required to provide comprehensive sexual health education, but if they choose to do so, they shall comply with all of the requirements listed below.

Comprehensive sexual health education instruction shall be age-appropriate and bias-free, and all factual information shall be medically accurate and objective. Instruction shall be appropriate for students of all genders, sexual orientations, and ethnic and cultural backgrounds, and it shall be accessible for English language learner students and students with disabilities. Instruction shall encourage communication between students and their families and shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships. ”

Also according to the CDE website, 96% of schools do choose to teach comprehensive sexual education.
http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/se/faq.asp

“According to Sex Education in California Public Schools (PDF; Outside Source) (survey conducted PB Consulting, 2003), 96 percent of California school districts provide comprehensive sexual health education.”

]]> By: Stefan http://www.edgeblog.net/2008/it-is-the-teachers-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-86470 Stefan Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:57:31 +0000 http://www.edgeblog.net/?p=130#comment-86470 Voting no to Prop 8 infringes upon my right as a parent to decide how, when and where I teach my child what gay is. The teachers should stick to reading, writing and arithmetic. Voting no to Prop 8 infringes upon my right as a parent to decide how, when and where I teach my child what gay is. The teachers should stick to reading, writing and arithmetic.

]]> By: bill http://www.edgeblog.net/2008/it-is-the-teachers-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-86234 bill Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:41:05 +0000 http://www.edgeblog.net/?p=130#comment-86234 Brett, Who's the one spewing hate? You seem to have a lot of venom for people of faith, however nowhere in this article do I espouse a Christian arguement in favor of Prop 8. I happen to support the proposition because it is grounded in 5,000 years of tradition, common law, natural law, and civil law. But that really is not the point here. Our schools are failing us. The CTA likes to say it is everyone else's fault, but we hire them to do a job. The CTA should focus on improving education instead of pushing a far-left agenda. Obviously your public school education has prevented you from seeing the point of this article! Brett,

Who’s the one spewing hate? You seem to have a lot of venom for people of faith, however nowhere in this article do I espouse a Christian arguement in favor of Prop 8. I happen to support the proposition because it is grounded in 5,000 years of tradition, common law, natural law, and civil law. But that really is not the point here. Our schools are failing us. The CTA likes to say it is everyone else’s fault, but we hire them to do a job. The CTA should focus on improving education instead of pushing a far-left agenda. Obviously your public school education has prevented you from seeing the point of this article!

]]> By: Brett http://www.edgeblog.net/2008/it-is-the-teachers-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-86233 Brett Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:18:28 +0000 http://www.edgeblog.net/?p=130#comment-86233 There is NO difference between gay marriage and straight marriage. Marriage is a CIVIL contract between two consenting adults which the STATE has absolutely no right to legislate. That the CHURCH seems to think it has the sole authority to decide who can marry and who can not only once again proves my belief that Organized Religion is merely Organized Hate by another name. As for the -TEACHERS- being at fault, turn the finger around and look at the lackluster, don't give a damn, pathetic excuse they have for parents. Just in my neighborhood alone I can watch the Holier than Thou crowd who so talk so loudly about being 'Good Christians' while they're busy screaming epithets at their children (when they bother to pay attention to them at all), sneaking out in the middle of the night and vandalizing other people's property (Yes, I have a camera, and yes, I know which one of these 'christians' tore down my No on Prop Hate signs). Look inward before you look outward, get rid of your own personal self loathing, and maybe you'll find that everyone deserves equality in the eyes of the law, not just 'heterosexual god fearing folk'. Almost makes me hope there is a God, just so people like you can show up and find the pearly gates closed to you for being such bigoted and hateful fools. There is NO difference between gay marriage and straight marriage. Marriage is a CIVIL contract between two consenting adults which the STATE has absolutely no right to legislate. That the CHURCH seems to think it has the sole authority to decide who can marry and who can not only once again proves my belief that Organized Religion is merely Organized Hate by another name.

As for the -TEACHERS- being at fault, turn the finger around and look at the lackluster, don’t give a damn, pathetic excuse they have for parents. Just in my neighborhood alone I can watch the Holier than Thou crowd who so talk so loudly about being ‘Good Christians’ while they’re busy screaming epithets at their children (when they bother to pay attention to them at all), sneaking out in the middle of the night and vandalizing other people’s property (Yes, I have a camera, and yes, I know which one of these ‘christians’ tore down my No on Prop Hate signs).

Look inward before you look outward, get rid of your own personal self loathing, and maybe you’ll find that everyone deserves equality in the eyes of the law, not just ‘heterosexual god fearing folk’.

Almost makes me hope there is a God, just so people like you can show up and find the pearly gates closed to you for being such bigoted and hateful fools.

]]> By: bill http://www.edgeblog.net/2008/it-is-the-teachers-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-86108 bill Sat, 25 Oct 2008 05:47:24 +0000 http://www.edgeblog.net/?p=130#comment-86108 Robert, First, how does any of that justify a 25% drop out rate, a 24% illiteracy rate, or 47% of the schools failing to meet their legal obligations. Second, you are factually incorrect when you state "There is NO requirement in the California education code to teach public school students about marriage." California's Education Code, sections 51890(a)(1)(D) and 51933(b)(7) requires that teachers instruct children as young as kindergarteners about marriage. If the marriage amendment fails, teachers will be required to teach young children there is no difference between gay "marriage" and traditional marriage. "Family health and child development, including the legal and financial aspects and responsibilities of marriage and parenthood" http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=edc&group=51001-52000&file=51890-51891 "Instruction and materials shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships." http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=edc&group=51001-52000&file=51933 Please check your facts before you post... ;-) Robert,

First, how does any of that justify a 25% drop out rate, a 24% illiteracy rate, or 47% of the schools failing to meet their legal obligations. Second, you are factually incorrect when you state “There is NO requirement in the California education code to teach public school students about marriage.”

California’s Education Code, sections 51890(a)(1)(D) and 51933(b)(7) requires that teachers instruct children as young as kindergarteners about marriage. If the marriage amendment fails, teachers will be required to teach young children there is no difference between gay “marriage” and traditional marriage.

“Family health and child development, including the legal and
financial aspects and responsibilities of marriage and parenthood”
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=edc&group=51001-52000&file=51890-51891

“Instruction and materials shall teach respect for marriage and
committed relationships.”
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=edc&group=51001-52000&file=51933

Please check your facts before you post… ;-)

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